Besides that if you can't handle a bit of cardio work throughout the week you are out of shape (speaking as an out of shape person), [–]Seantheguy 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). [–]EatsMeatM |575kg | 90kg | USPA | RAW 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children). The prowler seems to help me recover better. Chicken breast with breading covered in BBQ sauce served with baked beans. I agree though, No intense conditioning prior to deadlifts or squats. Cardio is good for building endurance and using calories. Not at all, just run or cardio on non leg days... [–]Ofmiceandken[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children), [–]Seantheguy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child). And explains why excessive aerobic exercise can be bad for you. You’ll also reap the benefits that cardio has to offer, including: 1. I also do sprinting and running for 15-20 mins up to twice a week. It's the law of thermodynamics. [–]MuzikAddikt 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child). I wouldn't call it bad advice but I'm skeptical of the suggestions to do conditioning before lifting and not expect it to affect recovery. -It's a program critique. Cardio can have a place in most programs, but it's definitely possible to overdo it, particularly if you do hours of it every week in order to "stay lean" while trying to bulk. -You want to sell us a product or do market research Thanks. Example, chicken breast with steamed broccoli is clean. KB swings are all hip hinge and can be a great warm up and conditioning tool which target your fast twitch muscle fibers and can really help to groove hip hinge pattern. -This is not a place for memes or rants. Yes, there is - I have a few friends who are testament to that. Gear -- The Ultimate Guide to Equipped Powerlifting [ebook review]. Cardio uses large muscle groups, such as your legs or upper body, requires respiration or controlled breathing, and increases your heart rate for a set amount of time. ... A lot of articles I've run across have said there's nothing bad about cardio + lifting, if you use the cardio effectively and don't injure yourself with long runs. Not that simple though, if were looking at someone who is running distance on a regular basis while strength training, at some point they are going to hit a wall due to an inability to recover from the work being done, regardless of how much they are eating. Rendered by PID 11435 on r2-app-00b8c1d018601dd22 at 2020-12-30 22:21:07.006107+00:00 running 6abf2be country code: US. It is good to keep up with cardio so you keep the bad carbs low and you burn the excess fat you are more than likely to get while bulking up or building muscle. And as always eat clean as fuck. Cardio athletes doing 2-3 workouts a day are just going to be too fatigued to get high gains in lifting regardless of how much they eat. I have a similar biking commute and agree with this part. Bonus: they're the best grip training I've ever done. The first time I started doing swings for my warm up I set massive PR because of how warm my glutes and hams were. Reading through these responses though I can see how a new lifter would take away from this thread that it's not going to be detrimental to do conditioning the day before or the morning before a heavy lifting session. First bit has some hills but the last half hour is pretty flat. This … Fast until lunch, lunch, dinner, exercise. Age old question I know. There will never be another time in your life when you'll be able to squat three times a week and make progress each time. My favorite warm-up is a couple max effort 500m rows on an erg or a super-set of fairly high volume pull-ups and kb swings. So my daily routine is basically. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. If it's affecting recovery or you're expending more energy that you are eating, then I would say that is going overboard. It is also very important to eat enough protein, especially if you are going to be doing extremely long steady state cardio (1.5 hrs+). I used to do 25 - 45 minutes of elliptical 6 days a week. You can help reduce the effect if you use good nutrition during the session and especially right after it. I would recommend doing some form of cardio exercise, whether its warming up with basketball then hitting the weights or running a mile or two a week. A healthy combination of strength and cardio training will allow your body to perform at its best, letting the two systems complement each other rather than compete. No research out there suggests that, when done in moderation, cardio is going to impact your gains negatively. IMO cardio is important because with increased cardiovascular function comes increased recovery times between sets and between workouts. Yes, changing your diet is usually a more time-efficient way of cutting calories, but cardio can help, especially in the later stages of fat loss. Off season, I lift heavy 3 times a week and condition twice. Could hurt you (numbers at least) if you go over board, and aren't replenishing the energy you're expending, or its affecting recovery. It does so in a number of ways. You might be at a deficit if you account for your cardio which would make it very hard to put on muscle mass. -You want to complain I think trial and error really is the best way to figure this out for yourself. -It pertains to only you and not the larger community Add Cardio to Your Routine for New Gains One of the most long-standing arguments in the lifting world against aerobic training is that it wastes away muscle tissue. Effective warm-up is different than cardio. I thought your post was great. share. If your metabolism slows down too much, you'll have a tough time burning fat. That is not a contradiction, ftr. Clean food is food that has been cooked in your dishwasher, killing all those evil bacterias and fructoses. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: -It's a meet report Cardio does have the potential to kill your gains, especially if your training program looks like the one Hickson had his subjects doing back in the day. Stick to fast twitch exercises like sprints, sled or parachute sprints, hill sprints, or hurricane sprints. Just keep your protein high, increase fat intake slightly (fuel for the oxidative system) and make sure your calories are not below maintenance. [–]needlzorNot actually a beginner, just stupid 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child). I'm wondering if there's such thing as too much cardio when it comes to trying to build muscle. ... help Reddit App Reddit coins Reddit premium Reddit gifts. 3. Long, slow distance running maybe once a month if it's nice just to remember that I can do it but I can't do it often because it beats my body up pretty bad. [–]timonvonk[] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children). What I recommend though if you want to still do cardio is complex's. Is not eating after exercise bad for gains though? Improved respiratory health 3. ", [–]Mattubic 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children), If you are a skinny dude just starting out and haven't gotten the stuff your face thing down yet it will hinder your progress. A lot of people these days like to say you don't need cardio at all, and that simply setting foot on a treadmill or trail is going to cost you gains and leave you skinny-fat. If you do interval sprints the day before you squat, there's a good chance you're not lifting at full capacity the next day - or at least you'll feel as if you're not. To bad I don't have any disposable income currently, [–]TheAesirNot actually a beginner, just stupid 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child), [–]Intuition17 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). Close. That said, I don't think it's a good idea to do any HIT cardio close to your workouts, but, a bit of cardio might actually aid in recovery, as long as you don't over do it. Archived. They're a great way to practice some lifts and do some conditioning without the impact stress of running. In my opinion, linear gains are a different issue. Just forget about your muscle gains for a minute and consider that it might be worth investing a little bit of cardio time to become an overall healthier human being. AthleanX posted a video yesterday ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1qYhkL468o) that said cardio kills gains by diverting blood flow to muscles that aren't being used during your workout. Low level Cardio (walking on a treadmill) is actually beneficial for cardio as long as it is used to increase blood flow, and not cardiovascular capacity. If you're doing cardio that much then you're probably burning a lot of calories from it. It's low intensity and high impact. For me, at least, that's not the case. 24 comments. One of the most common mistakes is doing cardio at the wrong time. Barbell complex's (3x10 DL, Bent Row, Hang Clean, Push Press, SQ 60s rest) dumbbell or bodyweight (M-100's) complex's. 5 days a week. These are all really good posts I haven't read one piece of bad advice. Performing “cardio” too frequently, too intensely, or for too long can certainly prevent you from gaining muscle from your strength training workouts. That being said, like a lot of other folks have noted, cardio isn't inherently bad, it just isn't the most efficient form of exercise to generate fat loss. Smith explains that cardio is effective at reducing both fat and muscle mass. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Discussion of physical fitness/exercise goals and how they can be achieved, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Well I'm not saying that you should do 500 kettlebell swings before you go and squat but you need to warm up either way and I've found that doing 100 swings as my warm up really helps as both a dynamic stretch and a great warm up. It's the law of thermodynamics. If you account for the calories you burn from cardio and you're still eating at a surplus, it's all good, you'll gain muscle mass. Cardio used to be king.That is, until researchers and gym rats alike found that strength workouts come with greater fitness and health gains than do steady-state cardio sweat sessions. [–]TheAesirNot actually a beginner, just stupid 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (7 children). I've heard that it especially affects your squat (negatively). Am I exercising at a bad time? In his books, Rippetoe argues that long cardio (30min intense+) will probably interfere with training. There's more than just legs for cardio and a lot of people forget that. Am I exercising at a bad time? The amount of stress to induce cardiovascular capacity increases, such as sprinters or distance runners, will detract from your power capacity. The main effect you might be concerned about is the rise in blood pressure/heart rate. However many calories you burn while doing cardio will need to be accounted for in your diet. I also try to lift 5 - 6 times a week (which would actually incorporate more biking since I will have to bike to my gym) and am trying to put on some muscle size (and burn fat! Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. So it all really depends on what it is you're looking for, what it is you want and where you want to go. I don't want to call a lot of the advice in this thread "bad advice" but I can say that at the bare minimum it's "bad advice for me and for lots of people like me. However, you need to do a lot of cardio - my experience is that in the 2 hour range it will start to show up, and it will definitely show up if you get into the 3-4 hour range. Our bodies can only recover from so much work per week, and trying to maximize both just isn't possible. However, there are three common gain-killing cardio mistakes that you need to avoid: Mistake #1: Doing Cardio At The Wrong Time . A lot of people say that cardio kills gains because it burns off excess calories and a lot of people say that cardio is also vital for your health. -A place to discuss the sport of Powerlifting and the training of the lifts. Just eat enough to offset the extra energy you are expending. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. Improved cardiovascular health 2. That … depends on how you want to look at things. Consider all … There are a number of explanations as to why cardio blunts gains. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. My squat is massive compared to my other lifts (375x5 vs a 205x1 bench). Once progress stalls there you can reintroduce conditioning and bodybuilder type stuff. Moderate cardio in the morning, lifts in afternoon. Long story short, you will be fine. No, I totally agree. -It's a thread that promotes community discussion, -It's not a community discussion thread Lifters who have put in hours of work are worried they’ll see their hard fought gains disappear. [–]TheAesirNot actually a beginner, just stupid 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children). It also helps to stay lean especially if you're doing short intense cardio sessions like the ones I've described. Optimal body composition 5. [–]EatsMeatM |575kg | 90kg | USPA | RAW 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (2 children). [–]USN_BeastM | 750kg | 124kg | SPF | RAW 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (4 children). I'm not of those people. I like to do conditioning after high intensity/low volume squat days. First, cardio can compromise the “quality” of your workouts, which in turn reduces the strength of the muscle-building stimulus generated by a given training session. But at the same time, many people could use a little more walking every day to force blood into all of their deep tissue. In fact, cardio has been shown to provide us with numerous benefits including better lung capacity, improved body composition, and improved ability to … Overdoing it with cardio will bring your gym gains to a dead halt. As you'll see in the sidebar under Quick Guide it goes Diet ---> Lifting ---> Cardio. If you have not vaped in the past 24 hours, your blood pressure and heart rate will be to that of your body's natural levels. Not necessarily, but as a general rule for this subreddit, yes. Robin Berzin, MD, says these are the three common warning signs your becoming a cardio junkie. Few of us today are going to be doing 30-40 minutes of cardio six days week. And there is NO good reason for it. 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