The cookie stores information anonymously and assigns a randomly generated number to recognize unique visitors. De .416 Weatherby Magnum gebruikt dezelfde behuizing als de .378 Weatherby Magnum en de .460 Weatherby Magnum. In response to an Army contract, Roy Weatherby necked down his behemoth .378 Weatherby Magnum to hold .30-caliber bullets, and the result was a seriously fast cartridge. The.416 Weatherby is much faster, with 400-grain bullet at 2,600 to 2,700 fps, yielding more than 6,000 ft-lbs. Available in 12ga., 3" chambering. The cartridge I was using was George Hoffmans wildcat .416 Hoffman, in a time when there were no factory loads for any .416 cartridgesand few bullets. Must be 18 or older to purchase rifle ammunition. You are using an out of date browser. Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. Then the 340 weatherby is just a tad slower and has some drawbacks but will have 3 in the magazine versus two with the 378's. So here is the question and dilemma I have Number 1. Shipping not available to P.O. A few years ago I bought a .338-.378 Weatherby, which I have never shot because the loaded shells run $150/ box! You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. The wildcat .425 Express, developed by Cameron Hopkins and Whit Collins, uses a .423-inch bullet. IIRC, you would have to order either of these chamberings without an Accubrake, as they come standard. I don't have a belt instilled phobia. Now, suddenly, we had plenty of choices. Total Rigby production of .416s ran into the few hundreds. When loaded to near Rigby velocity none of the famous shooters ever had a problem with cartridges sticking or being underpowered. Explore and compare prices from other vendors. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Residents of DE, KS, OH, and WA may have additional restrictions. WEATHERBY. It does not store any personal data. T This picture is a representation of this item or a of group of items. Four-way adjustable comb. Actual bullet diameter was .423-inch, already established in Europe as the 10.75mm. The extra 340 was taken in trade, is like new and for sale. I have often wondered if the 378 would have a better reputation if the bullets had been stronger 40 and 50 years ago. [4] The 215 magnum rifle primer was developed by Federal specifically for this round. Of course, you can increase the velocity on a big bore. I concur. At the risk of sounding off topic I would like to say in the Taylor's defense that the belts have never been a problem for me. ", I don`t put much faith in fake "reality" TV shows. Which is exactly why I normally have a rifle in each factory .25 caliber made (except for the .25 WSSM, though that might change.) They're all great. The 416 has quickly become one of the best all-around cartridges for Africa. The last caliber to use that casing was the .340 Weatherby Magnum. But I am not sure why you really need another 2100 ft.lbs over a 458 lott. It has considerably more punch than the Rigby. Rather than an oddball limited to handloaders, the .416 was a common caliber! In terms of ammo availability, the .416 Rigby and Remington are the most common, probably followed by the .404 Jeffery; most of the rest are available from more limited sources. In late spring 1989 Ed Weatherby and I used his new cartridge in Botswana, taking several buffaloes. I've heard of hunters shooting Cape Buffalo in spooky situations and reporting no remembered recoil. I'm having a tough time deciding.so fire away with any thoughts or experiences as I'm open! Please leave your valid email address below. The .416s (and similar) are not only perfectly adequate for the very largest gamebut just might be better than a true big-bore of .450-plus. Yes on all of your pressure conclusions. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway. My use will be for elk and bear. Ole Roy wasn't the best at thinking up designs. Available in 12 and 20ga., 26" or 28" barrels. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. The greater difference, however, is that a .416 (or similar) is much more effective on the upper end. One way to think about this is as such: a foot-pound is a unit of energy equal to the amount of energy required to raise a weight of one pound a distance of one foot. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Working fast and quietly, Remington struck first in late 1988 with their .416 Remington Magnum. In the early 2000s, when it was really no longer necessary, I had a .416 Taylor, but it was George Hoffmans cartridge that introduced me to the .416 in the mid-Eighties. There is a rumor out there that, because of its higher pressure, the .416 Remington can have sticky extraction. There are significant differences. I would like to see them actualy build the Taylor on the Hawkeye. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. The only issue would be ammo availability in a pinch which is why, on many blogs, you will hear the praise for the .375 Weatherby because it outperforms the .375 H&H and, if you run out of ammo it can shoot the .375 H&H. HubSpot sets this cookie to keep track of sessions and to determine if HubSpot should increment the session number and timestamps in the __hstc cookie. WBY Ammo .378 Weatherby Magnum 300Gr. Performance was awesome, but please note that, when you add a couple hundred more feet per second recoil goes up sharply! Ive used it at high temperatures in Cameroon, the Zambezi Valley and coastal Mozambique. However, the faster .416 bullet uses its higher velocity to overcome resistance; and its smaller-diameter bullet encounters less resistance. John. The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. Gunwriter John Wootters was a huge fan of the .416 Taylor; largely through his urging it almost became a factory cartridge twice, but didnt quite happen. The behemoth .30-378 Weatherby is the largest of the .300 magnums. 11 0. Founded by Roy Weatherby in 1945 in South Gate, California, the original rifles were custom guns made to order on Mauser actions. Performance is, if not equal, too similar to call. Peter led us inthis was happening fast and my palms were slick with sweat in the evening cool. Het ontwerp van de behuizing is genspireerd op de .416 Rigby-cartridge en heeft een riem en Weatherby's kenmerkende venturi-schouder met dubbele radius. Does Weatherby recommend specific ammunition for each caliber to get the best accuracy? Not all the same bullets but these were the only ones in this . Your email address will not be published. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. High gloss Turkish walnut stock. The .378 is a belted .416 Rigby. while i am not man enough for the 460, i see a place for the 378 in our australian deserts. Matte finish with synthetic stock. These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. I just hope your retinas are firmly attached! The .460 shoots everything well, and most loads extraordinarily. CALL 662-494-0779 or email amorris@sbfgllc.com for firearm inquiries. Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. Roy Weatherby died in 1988, nearly 45 years after he began his simple quest to find a more effective way to take an animal. When it comes to deep penetration in the toughest game with an expanding bullet, I doubt that any other 37-caliber bullet is as effective. We do not accept returns on ammunition. The .416 Rigby is almost exclusively loaded with 400-grain bullets. Thus, in a sense, with the .416 Weatherby we have come full circle. The .416s are much more shootable, especially in a rifle of adequate weight (ten pounds or more). You must log in or register to reply here. Jeffery introduced their .404 in 1909. YouTube sets this cookie via embedded youtube-videos and registers anonymous statistical data. My 416 Remington Magnum is a Model 70 and my .375 H&H is a CZ. Google Analytics sets this cookie to store the traffic source or campaign by which the visitor reached the site. I do know that the .416 Rigby case is only designed for around 52000 CUP and the 378 around 56000 - even though I've heard of people pushing the 378 to 65000 CUP. I've had my best success with 350 TSXs and Magnum in the .378, but the 350 SMK performs well with H1000 too (seated just . Older .450/.400 Nitro Express rifles, in both three-inch and 3.25-inch versions, can vary in bullet diameter, some as tight as .409-inch and others as loose as .412-inch. Today, some well-constructed, premium-grade bullets will stand up to the tremendous impact. Randy Brooks of Barnes Bullets told me he likes the 350 grain X bullet from a 416 Rem (probably the TXS nowadays) for everything including elephant, and IIRC, his load was in the 2550-2600 fps range which again is not a hot load. Griptonite stock available in multiple camo patterns. Further, it gets the performance with about 20 grains less powder. Not only is the 378 Weatherby Magnum capable of taking a T-Rex, even from a safe distance, in the Mark V Deluxe it is a very pretty rifle. Regards Mike. If you run toward tradition and nostalgia, then either the .416 Rigby or .404 Jeffery will have the most appeal. I realized it had been a long time since I took it to the range. furnishes. At the same time Federal brought out a modern load for the .470 Nitro Express, so it wasnt just the .416 that was being revived in that crazy year of 1988-1989! Available in 20 ga. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. I nearly bought a .416 Rem last year but talked myself out of it. The rest of the group, including the more recent .500/.416 (Krieghoff), .416 Ruger (Hornady/Ruger), and current loads for the .404 Jeffery, all propel 400-grain bullets somewhere between 2,350 and 2,400 fps, with energies at or approaching 5,000 ft-lbs. The 378 Weatherby Magnum is third from the right. Doesn't some of the African countries still require a 40 caliber weapon or larger on the "big five" ? Available in 20 ga. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. Become an AfricaHunting.com BENEFACTOR or SUPPORTER. These days there is so little dangerous game that is being hunted, what what there is of it, a 375 H+H handles it well enough. Total:7,403 (members:1,016, guests:6,387). [3] It was an original belted magnum design with no parent case, inspired by the .416 Rigby and headspacing of the belted .375 H&H Magnum. I have never used one on a hunt, but have relied on the reports of other honest men to realize what a beast it is. Performance was awesome, but please note that, when you add a couple hundred more feet per second recoil goes up sharply! When creating their modern .450/.400-3 load Hornady settled on .410-inch as the best compromise. Unfortunately, 40-caliber rifles and larger are required for hunting some species of dangerous game in various countries in Africa. Evaluated as the strongest action in the industry. It is used to enable interoperability with urchin.js, which is an older version of Google Analytics and is used in conjunction with the __utmb cookie to determine new sessions/visits. Even the 378 will make you sit up and take notice. According to modern pressure standards, some of the older loads for the .416 Taylor were pretty hot--but it is still capable of beating the .450/400's and those also have great reps in Africa. Shooting uphill, the 400-grain bullet entered just in front of the earhole and exited on the opposite side. There is a great deal of similarity between the Wby 378 case and the 338 LM case. 30" barrels. It is updated every time data is sent to Google Analytics. The .340 Weatherby has a lot more reach than the .375 H&H, but both are wonderful cartridges. However, the various lower .40s with, 400-grain bullets at roundabout 2,400 fps, produce more energyand do it with heavier bullets with greater frontal area. popular .404 Jeffery was made in numbers that far exceeded the .416 Rigby. The .338-378 has devoted fans in the long-range hunting sub-culture, but only exceeded the .340 Weatherby's muzzle velocity by 119 fps; a small reward for the huge recoil it produces. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. The elephant was taken with Barnes new homogenous alloy Super Solid, first of a whole new breed of bullets. Anyway, the old 270 grain Spire Point at the speed of light was very impressive on deer and elk. By the same logic I can't see buying a .375 Ruger when the .375 is still doing its job. that .460 is a monster, and will probably be even harder to shoot than a .50 bmg, as it won't have the brake, will weigh far less, etc. rdog wrote on Bob Nelson 35Whelen's profile. Plus, they are much more versatile, perfectly acceptable for a one-rifle safari battery, while a big bore is not. Some manufacturers offer 450-grain loads, but those are few and far between. That is because they are both high speed bullets. I would buy one. factory ammo WERE loaded too hot, however, and that's a fact. So, take your pick, and be confident it will do the jobprovided you do yours.Craig Boddington, Main (520) 620-1220 The elements were against us, with rain and mist making visibility poor. Far from it. While the statistics of the .378 are heroic, Glenn reminds us, "As we've read, there are many stories floating around the big game hunting circles of the 378's bullet failures on heavy game. Type: All Firearms. Any action that can handle a 375 H+H will handle the 416 Remington. This cookie is set by Google Analytics and is used to distinguish users and sessions. Toll Free (888) HUNT-SCI George Hoffman never forgave thembut he still deserves much credit for the .416 revival. It is very similar to the .340 without a brake. Jack OConnor had a .416 Rigby; he made brass by turning the belts off of .460 Weatherby brass on a lathe. Available in a variety of calibers, the Weatherby Vanguard Weatherguard is a bolt-action rifle with guaranteed sub-MOA accuracy. The British gun trade reached its nadir, and Kynoch discontinued the big Nitro Express cartridges. Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . The story behind Lott's desire to build a reliable .458 is pretty well known by now -- yet those real motives included having a case that would operate at lower pressures while giving just that little more than the .458 win promised but didn't then deliver. With a 250 grain Nosler Partition the .340 Weatherby produces a muzzle velocity of 2,941 fps and a muzzle energy of 4801 ft lbs compared to the .375 H&H with a 260 grain Nosler Partition that produces 2,750 fps as a muzzle velocity and muzzle energy of 4,367 ft lbs. The shot was taken at 250m due to the mist AND rain. If I have reason to come to mistrust it, I will go to one of the .416's. Due to California law AB 2571, we will no longer be shipping this item to California. I'm not going to mess with that load. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". If it makes you happy by all means buy it. I would like to purchase these. WEATHERBY - LEFT HANDED MKV 300 WEATHERBY MAGNUM. A brake would almost be neccesary unless this was a safari only rifle. Handguns; Rifles; Shotguns; . I have had two 416 Rems and both would shoot fatory 400 grain SAF ammo at over 2500 fps. The 460 I fired had a muzzle brake and was a little kinder to the sholder than the 416 that didnt. However, it has never been popular. One comment: These modern cartridges are loaded to higher pressures than the .416 Rigby. Is there anyone using these two cartridges for long range hunting? This is exactly why tens of thousands of shooters bought .300 WSMs, instead of that overly-long and clunky (not to mention, ugh, belted) .300 Winchester, which as every well-read hunter of today knows, is far less accurate and kicks much harder than the .300 WSM. Thanks for postFWB. Initial loadings were mild, duplicating .450/.400 ballistics in a bolt-action. 416 Taylor Improved velocity ladder complete. 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